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Post by Chupa Spotter on Mar 11, 2005 14:47:06 GMT -5
If you had explained it, that would have been diferent. But I had bever heard about it before now, except about the gandi stuff. Tell your parents to buy a gun, it may seem violent but if they get a knife to their throat again they can pull it out and kill who ever is doing it. Or just call the damn police. They have to do something about it, or just move. And what the fuck does Paki mean? My friend is Asian and he makes fun of himself, he calls him sekf a "chigger" and a dirty asian and shit like that, but he has never called himself a Paki before. And if you say that your like gandi and don't belive in violence, then I will respect you parents not carying a gun. Even though it is human nature to be violent. I don't know what to say but, I have been bullied by black kids and also asian "chiggers" but I don't give a shit. If they destroy your windows, fix the problem and buy bullet proof windows. By the sounds of how many times you have to replace your windows it would just be cheaper to buy bullet proof ones and not have to buy new windows all the time. And you can also buy security cameras to beef up your security so that if anyone threatens you you can just call the cops on them and have proof that they tried to kill your parents. Thats what I think you should do. And by the sound of what those people say to your parents you should just move. That might solve your problems, it might not.
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Post by Mario on Mar 11, 2005 14:59:44 GMT -5
Hey, I know I'm new on here, but I feel you Evenstar. I've seen people get talked down racially with my own eyes. I couldn't bare to watch how the words were smacking into the person's ears and seeing their eyes look down to the ground in anger. There have been times where I just wanted to go over there after the words were said and give that person a hug or some words of encouragement that'll cheer them up. I get angry that people are racist when the other person did or said nothing to him to insult or harm them.. Evenstar, you're standing up for yourself and your family members, and there is absolutly nothing wrong with that at all. Some people are unable to comprehend that and therefore become (In hateful terms) assholes. I have respect for you Star. Don't let one man ruin all that you have written in the past, all the smiles you made while reading these posts and all the smiles that you gave us. But for sure, dont let that one human being of all human beings ruin you from us. He can talk smack all he wants, but not here. Thats why our admin has the ability to bann. But we still think you're our number one girl on the forum. ;D. If he gives you anymore problems, talk to me. I have my gun on my left side, yeah, thats the crip side.
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Post by Everyone's favourite slut. on Mar 11, 2005 17:49:07 GMT -5
Why should I have to justify myself to anyone? Just out of curiosity? If someone called you a white bastard what would you do? Because I think you'd want to pulvarise their faces in with a brick. Without any justification whatsoever.
Really, you have the audacity to even try and tell me to tell my parents to buy guns? A) They are not even legal in this country and B) We have morals, and would never even dream of the idea. The Ghandi stuff is a big deal to many Indian people all over the globe. The nation was free from white rule and he did it all without violence. Oh and just for the record, he got shot my a Hindu extremist. That goes back to what he wanted to do with India afterwards. Right, the paki thing- there are several things wrong with that. Alot of people just clump all asians together and call them all paki's. This is obviously geographically incorrect. I am from India, not Pakistan, so tell me- how can I be Pakistani? The name paki is an insult, it's the same as calling a black man a n****r. It just shouldn't be said. I don't like any from of racism, because I don't like the fact that it separates many people in society. I have been against it for as long as I can remember. Hell...I don't even use the word paki as an abbreviation for the word Pakistani. That's how stiongly I feel about it. Here I go, justifying myself to you yet again. And frankly Josh, if you don't like it, then all I have to say to you is this-
Keep your opinions to yourself, especially when it comes to religious and/or racial comments. I have never thought of you a bad person. But if this continues, I will take a strong disliking, as I have done with Tom. As for Tim, well...I have never ever hated him. So you don't have to bring him up to me again.
Josh, I don't hate you, I just wish you'd accept how I feel and maybe we can become friends or something. Oh I don't mean any of the above t sound rude or harsh or anything. I'm just doing the more explaining and stuff. Sorry if it sounds that way.
Okay, now I have all the bad stuff out of the way....
Mario...first and foremost I want to say thank you. I mean, your one of the people that have actually made me kind of smile (it takes alot to make me smile; so don't lose heart) I respect that in you immensly, as I do with Larahl, he knows I love him to death. I do hope I will get to know you better and all that kinda stuff. Anyway, I feel I have done enough babbling for the day, I will hang up my keyboard and go read The Complete Works of Oscar Wilde.
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Post by Vensent on Mar 11, 2005 17:53:58 GMT -5
Kaveeta... I'm not, and haven't been, looking for justification. All I was saying were my views about rascist insults, and why you got so mad over them. Since the beginning though, I've suspected that there was something more painful, and since there is, it seems perfectly understandable why you are so anti-rascist. And even if that other stuff never happened it's understandable, because rascism is undoubtebly wrong. You don't have to justify yourself for that all.
And you only have to tell what you want to tell. If something is too painful, or you just don't want to, then of course you don't have to, and I won't think any less of you for it. And you're not wrong, you are perfectly right, you've been right. All I did was, as I said, say my views at that time.
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Post by Everyone's favourite slut. on Mar 11, 2005 18:19:27 GMT -5
Isn't asking the question why ultimately asking for some form of justification Fenrir? I think it is. Well, when I gave my opinion, it backfired on my ass and thus it is how this whole pathetic argument began in the first place.
I didn't want it to end up this way, but it did. Honestly, all I tried to do was be relativley normal and as usual it backfires, and as usual I'm the one to blame for it. It's not like it's anything new I get it all the time.
Since the beginning of what you have suspected what exactly? I'm quite puzzled about that. Since the beginning of this ridiculous fiasco or from the moment I came onto the forum. Well not the moment, but like as you got to know my facade? And yes, that stuff did happen, very real very traumatic and something I have to live with forever. Oh no, did I just hear someone call me a drama queen, or was it, melodramatic? I think I may just go and slit my wrists. Don't worry, I will take a picture so you all know that it actually happened.
Excuse the hostility but what can I say- I feel like I have been upmost betrayed by people I thought I could trust. Maybe not, I know I should always trust my own instincts about these things.
Well I bid thee all farewell for tonight. I am extremely tired and I have an appointment with a camera man and a sharpner blade. Toodlepipski.
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Post by Chupa Spotter on Mar 11, 2005 18:42:46 GMT -5
Couple of things, I forgot that guns were baned in England. Beacuse I live in America lots of people carry weapons for self defence. Some use it for evil but I forgot about the English rule.
And im sorry about saying the dramatic and melodramtic thing. When I said that I thought that you were doing all of this because pickle called you the p word. My bad. I didn't know about the stuff with your parents. But the thing about the morals, I don't know what to call it but do they belive in the passifict style of gandi? And is it gandi or ghandi? I belive that guns have become a necessary part of socioty. But what I said about the bullet proof glass, maybee you should look into it. If anybody throws any type of brick or rock or shit like that all it will do is bounce off.
And about that inner pain, I have a few goth friends who feel and act just like you, (though they are not in the same situation) so I thought you were acting like they do, and over reacting at stuff.
And about being pissed at racist stuff like being called a cracker. I just let it slide off, knowing that if there is a heaven or hell, or whatever religion you belive in, they are going to the shitty ass place. And also that they only say stuff like that to make them fell beter about themselves and to make them think that you are worse than they are. It's all bull shit. And about the p word. Where the fuck did that start? I also thought that Pakistanies were arabs. Because Hindues (sorry if I miss spelt) and arabics don't look alike.
But the thing about razer blades. Cutting does not solve anything. I have never done it, and I never will.
And Mario, one last thing. You don't act like this during class. When Mario gets on the computer he becomes a whole new person. It's wierd.
And this may also sound stupid but have your parents ever thought of moving their buisnes to a "friendlier" location. I don't mean like India, but like a beter street. Unless they have allready thought of that. I feel sorry for your parents. But if the cops wont do anything about it, I think they are totally fucked at the moment. Unless they buy some security cameras.
And on a similar sublect to the previous note, I was watching a movie in my American history class that had England in it. It showed English men and women yelling and screaming at Jamacins (I think) after the British empire gave its people their country to them to rule. Any way, when some of them came over to England they were discriminated against. I knew that England used to have slaves like we did and at one time thought that Africans were inferior to them but I thought that it ended before the sixty's.
And also about the Extremist that killed Ghandi (spelt his name right) what the hell did he think he would acomplish by killing him? And what was his name. In world history they only touched on Ghandi. I only know that he gained independance for India by pacifism. And another question. What is Indias main religion? I would figure Budist, but seeing as it was rulled by England for many years I don't know.
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Post by Chupa Spotter on Mar 11, 2005 18:48:18 GMT -5
How did this turn from a conversasion about Helios, to Kaveta leaving, to Racism. These conversasion allways turn into really wierd stuff.
And not to be off the new topic but what happened to Hank? He said he was going to post alot. But he only posted twice.
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Post by Vensent on Mar 11, 2005 21:33:13 GMT -5
First off, when I posted my last post, I didn't even know you had made that earlier post, so if I said anything stupid, sorry.
And second, yeah, cutting yourself... I hope that gets better...
Anyways, I thought after I had posted that first time, I had turned into the enemy. It just seemed as though you were pointing anger towards me, and I just wanted to clear my case, because I don't want anger between us. To answer your questions...
Isn't asking the question why ultimately asking for some form of justification Fenrir?
I don't think so. I wasn't asking for proof of what you said, because I believe you.
Since the beginning of what you have suspected what exactly?
Basically, since the beginning that you have gotten on here I suspected that you had some emotional pain... It was kind of obvious though.
For me, there's nothing more to know though, I just want to resolve what seems to me to be anger towards me. I don't want me to be your enemy, although it seems as if that's what I am.
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Post by Everyone's favourite slut. on Mar 12, 2005 18:43:41 GMT -5
Okay first Josh;
In India there is a cast system, the upper class, middle class, lower class and even lower class. Anyway, Ghandi, wanted to abolish this cast system and some religious extremists did not agree with this, so naturally, Ghandhi had a fair few enemies. On the way to some religious meeting, he was shot several times by one of these enemies, someone who wanted the cast system to be a permanent thing. I'm not sure about his name, I don't think they found out who actually did it, though I will ask my dad, but it will make him get all crazy and we'll have another 5 hour discussion. Ghandi has never been forgotten though, he was a true hero in the eyes of Indians everywhere.
Oh and, yes the cast system is still going on strong; even in the UK, when arranged marriages are set up, you can only marry someone in the same cast as you. So...love marriages are practically out of the question. It is more accepted now, but it's still a big deal, I know a fair few people whose families have disowned them because they have or want to marry someone of a different race and/or cast.
India is so big that there are so many religions everywhere. I mean, where my parents are from; the Punjab, the religions vary from Sikhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam. Throughout India there are various smaller sects of religions if you will, it's virtually impossible to tell you all of them.
Hope that has answered our questions...Okay, so now...Fenrir.
I don't have much to say really, actually, I don't have anything to say at all. You weren't my enemy, I wasn't pointing any anger towards you, it's just things like this, to be blunt with you, piss me off. I apologise if you felt that the anger was pointed directly towards you, it was kinda pointed in no particular direction.
I suspected that you had some emotional pain... It was kind of obvious though.
I let my guard down a few times, I don't know why, I just did, you wouldn't have even guessed for a second if it wasn't for those few occasions. Believe me, if I could prove family members that I'm as happy as hell for 5 years, I can lie to people on the internet.
Just one more thing before I shut up and go away...
And second, yeah, cutting yourself... I hope that gets better...
This means what?
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Post by Chupa Spotter on Mar 12, 2005 19:29:08 GMT -5
Well, what do you want me to call you first of all. Kaveta or evenstar? And second. I think we accomplished a few things. We learnt more about you and India (ans the thing about the ast system is wrong thats not right!!! and pisses me off!!!) And I guess the first goal we had is coompleted. I don't think your going to leave. And you shouldnt. You have friends here, who you can tell if anything bad happens. And if I had the power and the money. I would go and kick the crap out of any racist I could, and try and help your family. But I can't. So, I hope we can be friends? One last thing. About the marriages, that sucks totall ass. That would piss me off. And if I remember you said that you were all ready married or to be married. How did that make you feel?
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Post by Vensent on Mar 12, 2005 20:14:32 GMT -5
... Yeah, when I said I hope that gets better, about cutting yourself, I meant I hope you stop that. But I was pissing you off, and if I said to stop doing it, I thought you might get even more pissed at me, for how could I understand something like that? So whatever...
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Post by True Lies on Mar 12, 2005 23:30:46 GMT -5
As the spiritual leader of this little love shack, I feel compelled to say something absolutely meaningful, designed to bring joy to the hearts of the people, and hope to many a hopeless case. Sometimes, I feel as though this is the only haven for me in the whole entire internet; a place where I can just be myself with people that I (although it may sound silly, considering how little personal information I have on my brothers) care for.
So what can I say when one of my friends wants to leave and everything that I can think of to be done, has already been done? What can I do? I'm burnt out on impassioned speeches. But I'll try my best, even if there dosen't seem to be any hope left. I pray that my efforts are not entirely in vain...
Kaveeta, what you and your family have had to experience is nothing short of appalling. It's in times like these, when people are forced to endure the full hatred of humanity, that even I feel like I've lost faith. I wish I really were an almighty, all powerful and all wise leader, fit to lead humanity and all beings into a prosperous era of peace and good will toward all. I wish that I could wipe away your divine tears, and heal the awful scars that must've been forming for so long deep within the bitterest recesses inside of your being.
But I wish to thank you as well, Kav. Every day that I've awoken to in the past few months has felt as though there has been something missing from my very soul. Every morning, every noon, every evening and every hour of every day, it always seems, I've felt so hopeless. But it's also when I read stories such as your own, when I can feel someone's heart and soul through their words, that my immortal soul is given the sweetest respite. I feel as though there are others out there, struggling with burdens, most likely much greater than my own few. This feeling helps to give life to the otherwise lifeless existance that I lead.
I won't try and say that I understand your pain; that I can relate to your deep sorrows. But I will say that I think you're a very brave, kind, and all around beautiful person. The forum would miss you, of that there is no doubt. I wish you the best of luck though, if you however do feel that there are no other options but to leave, and I thank you for granting me your most hallowed friendship.
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Post by Everyone's favourite slut. on Mar 13, 2005 13:14:10 GMT -5
Kaveeta doesn't think she'll be going anywhere just yet...it's not time for me to go.
and Josh, just call me Kaveeta. ;D
Hmmm...I feel like finishing off my piece of prose...or short story, whatever.
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Post by Googy McFloogal Puss on Mar 13, 2005 13:22:09 GMT -5
Kaveeta, I have an idea for part 2 of my Future story. As you're going to be a poet and Dave an aspiring radio comedian, I am writing a scene in which you appear on Dave's show and read a poem about your dislike for fat people (which will relate back to the other part of the story). Shall I write it or can you come up with something for me?
I'll then have Dave say something like "Very deep; I'm assuming that the poem was more of a reflection on the flaws of modern society rather than a poke at people with weight issues?" Kaveeta: "No, I just don't like fat people"
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Post by Everyone's favourite slut. on Mar 14, 2005 17:50:52 GMT -5
Write what, the poem? Hmmm...tell you what, give me a few ideas on what you want it to like be about...and I'll see what I can do. If my totally beautiful writers block decides it wants to stay with me, you write it. Lol. I'm confused, yet again...
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